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17:30:06:16 >>> coming up next on arizona17:30:08:00 horizon, the state supreme court 17:30:10:16 hears a medicaid expansion17:30:11:28 lawsuit. 17:30:12:13 also tonight, we'll speak with17:30:13:28 newly elected congressman ruben 17:30:15:13 gallego, and we'll hear from the17:30:17:24 founding dean of asu's barrett 17:30:20:09 honors college.17:30:20:28 those stories next on arizona 17:30:22:07 horizon.17:30:26:07 >>> arizona horizon is made 17:30:27:13 possible by contributions from17:30:28:22 the friends of eight. 17:30:29:24 members of your arizona pbs17:30:31:01 station. 17:30:31:27 thank you.17:30:32:15 >>> good evening and welcome to

17:30:35:06 arizona horizon.17:30:35:27 i'm ted simons. 17:30:36:27 the state supreme court traveled17:30:38:24 to the university of arizona 17:30:40:00 today for oral arguments on a17:30:41:13 lawsuit against the state's 17:30:43:07 expansion of medicaid.17:30:45:03 howard fischer of capital media 17:30:46:22 services covered the hearing and17:30:48:01 joins us live now from tucson. 17:30:51:09 good to have you here, and what17:30:52:27 exactly did the supreme court 17:30:55:13 hear today?17:30:59:09 >>> they heard the first of what 17:31:00:28 could be two arguments.17:31:02:00 in 2013, the legislature voted 17:31:05:18 to expand medicaid to cover17:31:07:16 people wonder 138% of the

17:31:10:12 federal poverty level, and to17:31:12:21 levy what the governor calls an 17:31:14:15 assessment on hospitals to pay17:31:16:06 for much of that. 17:31:17:24 well, the dissident lawmakers17:31:20:18 say it's really a tax, and under 17:31:22:03 the constitution you need a17:31:23:06 two-thirds' vote for a tax 17:31:24:25 increase, and it didn't get the17:31:26:00 two-thirds' vote, so the 17:31:27:24 dissident republicans went to17:31:29:01 court and said, this cannot take 17:31:31:25 effect.17:31:33:09 where we are now is, is that the 17:31:35:21 legislators are saying, you17:31:38:01 know, to the supreme court, you 17:31:39:10 know, let us sue.17:31:40:21 let us go in and challenge this.

17:31:42:25 the governor is saying, you17:31:44:21 don't have standing to sue. 17:31:46:03 the only people that have17:31:47:01 standing to sue are the 17:31:48:06 hospitals that are affected by17:31:49:16 the tax, or levy, or assessment, 17:31:51:21 or whatever you want to call it,17:31:53:01 and if only the hospitals can 17:31:54:24 sue, the legislators can't.17:31:56:27 here's what gets real 17:31:57:27 interesting.17:31:59:00 chief justice scot bails pointed 17:32:02:00 out the hospitals have no17:32:03:04 incentive to sue because they 17:32:04:06 structured the assessment in17:32:05:25 such a way that the hospitals 17:32:07:12 will be getting more back in17:32:09:21 compensated care from people who

17:32:11:06 are ensured than, than from the17:32:13:00 assessment, and he said why do 17:32:15:10 we have to wait for the hospital17:32:16:15 since there is a constitutional 17:32:17:10 issue here?17:32:19:09 >> and again, this was a supreme 17:32:20:06 court judge initially dismissed17:32:21:19 this in february, and then the 17:32:23:03 court of appeals came along and17:32:24:24 reversed that decision, and that 17:32:26:00 is why the supreme court is17:32:27:15 hearing this now, why equity? 17:32:30:09 >> exactly.17:32:31:00 and what, what will, we'll have, 17:32:34:19 is a significance on decision17:32:38:27 and standing. 17:32:39:19 case goes away.17:32:40:18 medicaid expansion goes on, if

17:32:42:15 they decide lawmakers have17:32:43:19 standing, to sue over whether 17:32:45:25 they need a two-thirds' vote,17:32:47:12 goes back to the trial judge, 17:32:49:21 and then they hear questions,is 17:32:50:21 it a tax, or as the governor17:32:52:15 says, is it an assessment for 17:32:55:00 regulatory purposes, and then17:32:56:06 we'll be back up to the supreme 17:32:57:10 court, perhaps, in another year.17:32:59:18 >> have we seen in the past 17:33:01:03 this, this challenge or this17:33:03:06 question as to what is a tax and 17:33:06:03 what is an assessment?17:33:09:21 >> we have not seen anything 17:33:10:21 quite like this because of the17:33:13:06 fact that, that lawmakers have,

17:33:15:09 essentially, given state17:33:17:09 agencies the power to levy 17:33:18:25 assessments on a simple17:33:21:04 majorities. 17:33:22:00 what they have done is left it17:33:23:09 up to the agency to decide how 17:33:24:15 much to assess.17:33:25:18 real estate department, 17:33:26:25 department of environmental17:33:27:24 quality does assessments, so 17:33:30:15 they can go ahead and run the17:33:32:15 agency. 17:33:32:27 the governor's argument is this17:33:34:12 is the same thing, that it's not 17:33:35:25 the legislature that's levying17:33:37:06 this. 17:33:37:21 the legislature authorized tom17:33:40:00 bentlock, head of the arizona

17:33:41:27 cost containment system, to make17:33:43:09 an assessment on hospitals, to 17:33:45:00 decide which hospitals pay, and17:33:46:09 which hospitals don't pay, and 17:33:49:10 she said that makes it an17:33:50:19 assessment rather than a tax. 17:33:52:18 the argument of, of senate17:33:55:00 president andy biggs, who was 17:33:56:10 down here today, is, is you can17:33:58:06 call it what you want. 17:33:59:19 it's involuntary, and it's being17:34:02:00 assessed, and it's going, 17:34:03:12 essentially, into the general17:34:04:15 fund to fund medicaid expansion, 17:34:06:03 and he said that makes it a tax.17:34:08:00 >> and i know that the lawmakers 17:34:08:25 are, are concerned because what17:34:11:00 they say is happening with this

17:34:12:10 situation, is, is you can getby 17:34:14:04 the two-thirds' vote if you vote17:34:16:03 to get by the two-thirds' vote. 17:34:18:10 and they say that's not kosher.17:34:20:24 whereas the governor's side is 17:34:22:00 saying, that you are suing17:34:24:00 because you lost a vote. 17:34:26:06 very interesting arguments.17:34:28:19 >> well, it is, and one of the 17:34:30:12 interesting things that17:34:31:03 happened, is justice robert 17:34:33:25 brutinl was testing the17:34:37:19 governor's lawyer, and he said 17:34:39:15 they don't have standing to sue17:34:40:24 because they were not damaged. 17:34:41:27 only the hospitals, and the17:34:43:24 justice said well, excuse me,

17:34:45:06 mr. berg, what if it was the17:34:47:12 majority of lawmakers saying 17:34:48:18 that red headed lawmakers cannot17:34:50:12 vote on this issue, on the 17:34:53:03 assessment/tax?17:34:54:25 and tim said well, wouldn't 17:34:56:25 matter.17:34:57:06 the red head lawmakers won have 17:34:59:15 a right to sue because it will17:35:00:24 be the hospitals that are 17:35:01:27 damaged.17:35:02:15 i think that that did not sit 17:35:03:21 well with the justice in terms17:35:05:03 of saying, you know, do 17:35:06:15 lawmakers have a right?17:35:08:04 got to remember that proposition 17:35:10:09 108 was approved in the '90s17:35:12:15 because voters said that they

17:35:14:15 wanted a two-thirds' vote for17:35:17:12 anything that's a tax. 17:35:18:15 they were tired of taxes enacted17:35:20:04 by a simple majority. 17:35:21:15 and so cristina sandford, the17:35:24:21 attorney for goldwater say, you 17:35:27:12 are not only infringing on the17:35:29:15 rights of the lawmakers, but on 17:35:30:15 the right of the opinion, which17:35:32:06 is entitled to that protection. 17:35:33:25 >> ok, before we let you know,17:35:35:10 describe the hearing -- first, 17:35:37:10 why was it held in tucson and17:35:39:00 describe the hearing, and the 17:35:40:06 governor was down there,17:35:41:10 president biggs down there and 17:35:42:21 anyone else of note attending?17:35:45:03 >> no, not really.

17:35:46:00 those were really the two, two17:35:48:09 folks of any note, and you did 17:35:49:27 have protesters down here who,17:35:52:00 who did not like the whole 17:35:53:04 medicaid expansion, and such.17:35:55:12 the reason that we were down in 17:35:56:27 tucson is the supreme court17:35:57:21 takes its cases on the road from 17:35:59:03 time to time.17:36:00:04 they have done this at asu law 17:36:02:19 school, at the u of a, the17:36:04:15 phoenix college of law, and done 17:36:05:27 it at high schools.17:36:07:04 the idea is to, is to give folks 17:36:08:25 a chance, who don't get to come17:36:10:27 up to phoenix and sit in the 17:36:12:12 courtroom, to see what happens.17:36:13:25 how does this happen?

17:36:14:24 and to see the fact that thisis 17:36:16:09 a very -- what they call a hot17:36:18:07 bench, that it's not like the 17:36:20:07 justices go ahead and say, well,17:36:22:06 just tell us what you want. 17:36:23:13 they ask a lot of very pointed17:36:25:00 questions, and that's really the 17:36:28:03 key, and it's educational for17:36:29:06 the students at the college of 17:36:30:04 law to see that.17:36:31:28 >> all right, we'll see where it17:36:32:27 goes, howie, good to have you 17:36:34:15 here and thanks for joining us.17:36:36:09 >> glad to be here. 17:36:37:07 >>> ruben gallego was elected17:37:38:07 tuesday night to represent

17:37:39:27 arizona's seventh congressional17:37:41:06 district, and he replaces ed 17:37:43:18 pastor, who is retiring after24 17:37:45:00 years in congress.17:37:45:28 joining us now is, is 17:37:47:06 representative-elect ruben17:37:49:12 gallego. 17:37:49:28 good to have you had a err and17:37:50:27 congratulations on your win. 17:37:51:24 >> thank you very much.17:37:52:04 >> and first order of business, 17:37:53:19 for you in washington.17:37:55:27 >> what's it going to be? 17:37:57:18 >> first order of business is17:37:58:15 really just trying to form a 17:38:00:00 good relationship across the17:38:01:06 aisle, and within your own

17:38:03:06 caucus.17:38:03:22 nothing really happens in d.c. 17:38:05:19 right now, unless you do it ina 17:38:07:22 bipartisan manner and, and it17:38:10:12 started to -- the basics, just 17:38:12:03 talking to people, and, you17:38:13:06 know, getting to know people. 17:38:14:15 and putting a good staff17:38:15:18 together. 17:38:15:28 >> and when you go back there,17:38:17:07 obviously, you are going to have 17:38:18:09 to ask a lot of questions and17:38:19:13 learn from a lot of folks. 17:38:21:09 who do you plan to learn from?17:38:23:13 >> we have a great delegation. 17:38:24:21 christian luczanits -- kyrsten17:38:31:13 kyrsten sinema is a superstar.

17:38:32:28 and patrick is regarded well17:38:35:00 along other congress members, 17:38:36:00 and i will be talking to her,17:38:37:01 and when it comes to armed 17:38:38:15 services because i believe17:38:39:27 barber will be coming back, and 17:38:41:18 i will be leaning a lot on ron,17:38:43:09 too. 17:38:44:13 >> as far as pastor, have you17:38:45:07 spoken with him? 17:38:46:01 >> i have.17:38:46:13 we talked several times, he's 17:38:47:24 been very helpful, and i look17:38:49:18 forward to, you know, gaining 17:38:50:28 more knowledge from him, too17:38:52:01 and, and you know, pastor has 17:38:53:16 been very, very, you know, i17:38:54:27 have got to say, the whole

17:38:56:00 delegation has been really good.17:39:02:22 >> as far as being different 17:39:03:28 from representative pastor, what17:39:05:22 do you think you are going to 17:39:06:21 bring?17:39:07:09 >> you know, it's hard to say, 17:39:08:12 like pastor had had a great17:39:11:00 22-year career run that, you 17:39:12:21 know, we can thank what we know17:39:15:21 as modern downtown phoenix 17:39:16:24 because it had, you know, it's17:39:18:06 hard to say what kind of, of, of17:39:21:12 style that i have because i 17:39:22:12 really need to get there and17:39:23:10 just figure it out because it's 17:39:24:15 a whole new, a whole new ball17:39:25:24 game to be honest.

17:39:26:18 >> i was going to say, it hasto 17:39:27:24 be humbling because you go back17:39:29:06 there, and you really do need to17:39:31:06 kind of watch and learn and wait 17:39:32:21 a bit, don't you?17:39:34:01 >> exactly. 17:39:34:12 and that's, that's how i've17:39:35:24 always been able to succeed, i 17:39:37:03 was in the marine corps, whether17:39:38:06 it's getting myself through 17:39:39:12 college or in the state17:39:40:24 legislature, and, you know, it's 17:39:42:21 finding good mentors taking your17:39:44:06 time, forming good relationships 17:39:45:10 and, and, and striking at the17:39:48:06 right time.

17:39:48:24 >> what can you realistically17:39:51:06 expect to get done as a freshmen 17:39:54:10 member of the minority party?17:39:56:21 >> well, for one, it feels like 17:39:58:09 deja vu.17:39:59:06 when i came into the arizona 17:40:00:03 state legislature in 2010, i17:40:03:27 came into such a small caucus. 17:40:05:25 you could have fed us two extra17:40:08:03 large pizzas. 17:40:09:03 it will be difficult, you know,17:40:10:12 i think that the most important 17:40:11:09 thing that i could do is focus17:40:12:12 my constituent services right 17:40:13:18 away, some of my district needs,17:40:18:01 as an iraq war veteran, 17:40:19:21 especially, it's near and dear17:40:21:10 to my heart, and i think it's

17:40:22:18 something that's very bipartisan17:40:23:12 that we can be working on across 17:40:25:01 the aisle.17:40:27:21 you have seen people like 17:40:28:21 kyrsten sinema and kirkpatrick17:40:31:01 really pushing that already and 17:40:32:06 working across the aisle to get17:40:33:19 great bills through. 17:40:34:15 >> some of those constituent17:40:35:13 services, what are you talking 17:40:36:18 about there?17:40:37:09 >> you know, it's a basic thing 17:40:38:13 like making sure that people,17:40:39:22 when they have problems getting 17:40:40:24 their social security or getting17:40:42:12 any kind of government benefit 17:40:43:28 that they are due, and making17:40:45:09 sure that we're answering the

17:40:46:13 phone calls and connecting the17:40:47:22 people to the right, to the 17:40:49:06 right department, or whether17:40:49:28 it's making sure that business 17:40:51:04 is, is, is able to get whatever17:40:52:28 they need out of their federal 17:40:54:09 government.17:40:56:04 all these things are really 17:40:57:16 important, i think, especially17:40:58:16 for a district like this, which 17:40:59:28 needs a lot of help.17:41:00:27 >> and as far as the bigger 17:41:02:06 issues now, immigration,17:41:03:12 obviously, a big one, and with 17:41:05:01 the makeup of congress now,17:41:06:25 there is a lot of concern and a17:41:07:27 lot of question as to what the

17:41:09:16 president is going to do.17:41:10:27 if he bypasses congress, if he 17:41:12:21 goes through executive action,17:41:14:03 what are your thoughts? 17:41:16:00 >> i think that he should go17:41:16:25 through the executive action 17:41:17:21 right away.17:41:18:12 the history of the republican 17:41:20:06 congress so far has been to17:41:22:12 delay and obstruct, and anything 17:41:24:06 that we expect them to do17:41:25:06 anything in terms of the 17:41:27:03 immigration reform, it's not17:41:28:06 going to happen. 17:41:29:09 it's just a delayed tactic until17:41:30:24 they pull it off, and they put 17:41:32:06 it off for another reason and,17:41:33:01 and at this point, there is

17:41:35:16 families that are hurting, and17:41:36:18 millions of families that are 17:41:38:06 potentially going to be17:41:39:01 separated when we don't need 17:41:40:21 this to happen, and we need some17:41:42:21 administrative relief. 17:41:44:16 >> if the republicans do comeup 17:41:45:21 with something tangible,17:41:47:15 something concrete, something 17:41:49:00 that they can send, get through17:41:51:12 congress, and up to the 17:41:52:16 president, first, if you are met17:41:54:10 with something of that nature, 17:41:57:15 is it just, just -- you have to17:41:59:10 look at it seriously. 17:42:00:12 >> absolutely.17:42:01:25 look, immigration reform is

17:42:04:09 supported across the aisle, both17:42:06:21 democrats and republicans and 17:42:07:12 independents, and you know, we17:42:09:00 want to have a solution to, to 17:42:10:15 this problem we have had for now17:42:12:06 for more than a decade, and 17:42:13:09 longer than that.17:42:14:24 so, if the solutions, the 17:42:16:10 republican solution, and it's17:42:17:12 one that, that, actually, is, is17:42:20:06 sane and just, especially for 17:42:21:15 our families and for the17:42:23:09 american public, i will look at 17:42:24:09 it.17:42:24:21 it does not matter whose name is17:42:26:01 on there as a sponsor.

17:42:27:01 >> what is sane and just as far17:42:28:10 as you are concerned? 17:42:29:12 >> well, to go into some detail,17:42:32:03 we need to have a verified 17:42:34:12 manner for somebody to put17:42:36:16 themselves with the law and to 17:42:38:21 be able to come out of the17:42:40:00 shadows, and it means paying a 17:42:42:06 fine, that's fine but it cannot17:42:43:09 be an onerous fine, if they have 17:42:45:00 to wait longer in order for them17:42:46:18 to be eligible to come, that's 17:42:48:00 fine, as long as again, it's not17:42:49:10 an onerous manner, but it needs 17:42:51:03 to be predictive, and we needto 17:42:53:00 be -- something on par with,17:42:56:12 with what was occurring, which

17:42:58:00 is the de facto amnesty that17:43:00:15 occurred for 20 years. 17:43:01:24 >> as far as other issues, major17:43:03:09 issues, american intervention in17:43:05:15 foreign affairs, where do you 17:43:06:24 stand on that and can you makea 17:43:08:00 line and use it in every single17:43:10:25 situation? 17:43:11:21 some folks can.17:43:12:18 and they say no, nothing, or we 17:43:13:27 have got to be involved in17:43:14:25 everything. 17:43:16:21 >> i think you need to be17:43:17:19 flexible when it comes to the 17:43:18:21 foreign policy, the nature of17:43:19:24 it.

17:43:20:28 it is, it is so, so, so17:43:23:28 fungible, if you don't have 17:43:24:28 that, that actually is flexible17:43:26:12 to that. 17:43:27:07 you could find yourself in a17:43:28:07 very tight situation. 17:43:29:19 and, and, you know, when it17:43:30:28 comes to iraq, you know, for me, 17:43:32:13 it's heart-breaking.17:43:33:19 i cleared a lot of those cities 17:43:34:24 of insurgents, and i lost a lot17:43:36:04 of good friends and, and you 17:43:37:24 know, there is a certain level17:43:39:12 of pride that says that we 17:43:40:09 should go in there.17:43:41:09 the last thing that we need is 17:43:43:22 to send soldiers into a country,17:43:46:06 and at the core, once, one we

17:43:48:00 stabilize the iraqi military,17:43:50:13 they should be able to take care 17:43:51:27 of this.17:43:52:12 it was a political problem that 17:43:53:12 caused this.17:43:55:01 once the government starts 17:43:57:01 sharing government, with, with17:43:58:24 the sunnis and the curds, they 17:44:01:25 should be able to defeat isis,17:44:04:06 but without sending in troops, 17:44:05:21 take care of this for them, is17:44:06:24 not going for forge a long 17:44:08:09 lasting iraqi government.17:44:09:21 >> and as far as the election is17:44:10:18 concerned, your thoughts, why do17:44:12:10 you think that there was a gop

17:44:14:21 landslide?17:44:15:09 >> well, i think that there is 17:44:16:10 a, a lot of reasons why, but,17:44:18:21 you know, turnout is usually 17:44:19:21 really bad, as it is for17:44:21:15 democrats, or any party that's 17:44:23:10 out of that, that -- that the17:44:25:00 president is in power is going 17:44:26:03 to -- is going to have a really17:44:27:12 bad mid-term. 17:44:28:10 and this one has been17:44:29:19 established bad. 17:44:30:25 also, it's very important that17:44:32:00 the democrats need to, to really 17:44:33:25 run good campaigns and have17:44:35:15 strong messages. 17:44:36:06 i think that the campaigns are,17:44:38:18 ran strong messages have come

17:44:39:21 out successful.17:44:40:12 look at, at ann kirkpatrick and 17:44:45:10 ron barber, and ron will pullit 17:44:47:19 off, and the reason that they17:44:48:24 won is because they had a strong 17:44:50:06 message that was really able to17:44:51:15 withstand the tide, and, you 17:44:53:15 know, can i say kyrsten sinema17:44:58:27 was one of the reddest districts 17:45:00:06 of all held by the democrats17:45:01:12 here, and the credit is to 17:45:02:10 people like that who can run17:45:03:15 campaigns like that. 17:45:04:10 >> as far as latino turnout, we17:45:06:04 hear every cycle that this will 17:45:08:10 be the election that the17:45:10:18 hispanic vote rises to, to, to

17:45:13:00 what, what some expect to see.17:45:14:19 what do you expect to see and, 17:45:16:06 and why has that been so17:45:19:06 difficult. 17:45:21:15 >> there is a lot of reasons.17:45:22:09 first, latino, the latino 17:45:24:12 population can't bring something17:45:26:03 over the victory, unless it's a17:45:28:04 coalition, and we have to be in 17:45:29:10 a coalition with, with working17:45:30:27 class people, our anglo commune, 17:45:34:03 and that's when we're able to17:45:36:09 tip the balance. 17:45:37:00 i think that we have to wait and17:45:37:27 see the actual returns. 17:45:39:13 we could see who did turn out17:45:41:06 and who did not.

17:45:42:07 in certain instance, the latino17:45:44:00 community did turn out, and in 17:45:45:18 certain instances it was the17:45:46:15 anglo community, so we really 17:45:48:18 have to wait and see.17:45:49:22 the harder problem and why it's 17:45:51:04 difficult to mobilize the latino17:45:52:27 community is that, is that they 17:45:53:22 are younger, and they are more17:45:55:06 mobile. 17:45:55:22 so, even if you register17:45:57:04 somebody one year, by the time 17:45:58:09 that you come around and try to17:45:59:07 talk to them, they have been 17:46:01:03 down to another hole, and that's17:46:02:27 a true situation for almost any 17:46:04:07 population that young.17:46:05:27 so, we, as latino leaders, have

17:46:08:06 to continuously be doing a17:46:10:09 latino turnout operations every 17:46:11:28 year, and that's something that17:46:13:15 i am going to dedicate myself to17:46:15:15 doing. 17:46:15:28 we did it this year and will17:46:17:15 next year until we create a 17:46:18:18 culture of turnout within the17:46:19:24 latino community. 17:46:20:21 >> all right.17:46:21:09 are you excited to get back to 17:46:22:10 these?17:46:24:01 >> you know, it's, it's been 17:46:25:06 very interesting.17:46:26:18 ite -- right now, i'm trying to 17:46:28:10 catch up with the honey do17:46:30:16 lists.

17:46:31:03 so as soon as that's done i'll17:46:32:01 be there. 17:46:32:21 >> there are priorities, and17:46:33:16 congratulations, good to have 17:46:34:09 you here, and thank you very17:46:35:01 much. 17:46:35:12 >> thank you.17:46:42:21 >>> the founding dean of asu's 17:47:38:09 barrett honors college is17:47:39:06 retiring next spring. 17:47:40:16 ted humphrey is stepping down17:47:41:16 after a long and varied career 17:47:43:01 that began on the tempe campus17:47:44:21 back in 1966. 17:47:46:01 we welcome ted humphreys to17:47:49:18 arizona horizon. 17:47:50:00 good to have you here.17:47:50:27 >> thank you very much.

17:47:53:24 >> and congratulations.17:47:54:18 1966, what was that campus like 17:47:56:09 back in 1966?17:47:57:18 >> i remember the first time 17:47:58:09 that i was there.17:48:01:06 for my interview i had just 17:48:02:10 bought a black suit, and they17:48:03:18 just plowed up the college 17:48:05:25 avenue, and i found myself onmy 17:48:08:01 interview sessions walking back17:48:11:21 and forth across college avenue 17:48:13:12 and kind of like pig penned,17:48:16:18 kept coming up, but it was, it 17:48:18:03 was, you know, it was then asit 17:48:20:18 is now, a campus in development.17:48:24:04 and you could see that, that

17:48:25:12 really wonderful things were17:48:26:15 going to happen there. 17:48:27:19 >> and what brought you here and17:48:29:10 what got you into this honor's 17:48:32:00 program business?17:48:33:04 >> what brought me here was, was 17:48:34:24 the offer of a ten-year track17:48:37:10 position and, and my entire 17:48:40:00 time, in academia, has been, has17:48:42:00 been difficult for, for persons 17:48:44:00 seeking ten-year track17:48:45:27 positions, so i had that offer 17:48:47:00 and, and really, the department17:48:50:19 of philosophy, at that time, 17:48:52:10 had, had a very specific slot17:48:55:04 for a person with my abilities 17:48:58:03 or my training.17:48:59:15 and it was nice to me to fit in

17:49:03:15 to that.17:49:04:03 >> and you fit in, and not only 17:49:05:09 did you fit in, but you wounds17:49:06:24 up getting an honor's program 17:49:08:21 started.17:49:09:06 talk to us about that. 17:49:10:06 it was not always barrett and17:49:11:12 not always as big of a deal as 17:49:14:03 it is now.17:49:14:19 >> no. 17:49:15:00 and a lot of things just start17:49:17:25 out, or have their foundation in17:49:20:04 one's life. 17:49:21:03 i started at the university of17:49:25:04 berkeley, and i had gone from a17:49:27:09 very small town, 1,000 then, and

17:49:31:00 1,000 now, and i was -- i looked17:49:34:15 a lot like students in arizona 17:49:37:00 look today, that is, i was the17:49:38:21 first generation college 17:49:39:27 student.17:49:41:18 at berkeley, i found myself 17:49:43:03 lost.17:49:44:04 and i had to leave berkeley, 17:49:46:00 unfortunately.17:49:46:21 i still kind of really identify 17:49:49:00 with berkeley, and i ended upat 17:49:53:00 u.c. riverside, which was a17:49:54:15 small campus. 17:49:55:09 it was, it was about, about 140017:49:59:10 undergraduates, 200 graduate 17:50:01:19 students and 400 faculty, andit

17:50:03:12 was that kind of small17:50:05:06 environment that, that i felt 17:50:06:18 comfortable in, that, that17:50:09:09 nurtured me on and, and, and in 17:50:13:21 graduate school, in my career,17:50:15:18 and i saw something very similar 17:50:18:04 happening in the state of17:50:18:21 arizona. 17:50:20:27 namely, we had, we, we -- our17:50:23:04 three campuses, are actually 17:50:24:25 more alike than they are17:50:26:15 different, and that is to say 17:50:28:04 that they are large17:50:29:21 universities, and i saw a lot of17:50:32:03 first, first, first generation 17:50:34:06 college students coming there17:50:35:15 and, and found erring, not able

17:50:38:00 to find their way around these17:50:41:10 campuses. 17:50:43:06 furthermore, at that time, when17:50:44:21 i, i took over the honor's 17:50:46:15 program, in 1983, arizona was17:50:50:00 sending 80% of its top 5% of 17:50:53:19 high school graduates out of17:50:54:18 state, and we were sending 90% 17:50:57:15 of, of our national merit17:51:00:27 scholars, and we did not have a17:51:03:04 good place for them to go. 17:51:04:12 >> and you developed a place.17:51:05:15 >> well, that was the whole 17:51:07:12 idea.17:51:07:24 how do we keep arizona's very 17:51:09:24 best students here and, and how17:51:13:15 do we attract students from out

17:51:15:00 of state?17:51:15:27 >> so how did that, that effort 17:51:17:10 and, and getting that honor's17:51:18:19 program off the ground, how did 17:51:20:15 that become the barrett honor's17:51:22:15 college? 17:51:25:18 >> at a certain point in17:51:27:00 agreement with, with the 17:51:29:09 president laddy core, we decided17:51:31:19 we would go out and actively 17:51:33:00 recruit very strong students,17:51:35:12 and we went after national merit 17:51:37:15 scholars, and we went from17:51:38:15 having, having attracting 15 or 17:51:41:09 20 national merit scholars per17:51:43:25 year to, to the first year we 17:51:47:09 went out, we had 118.17:51:50:04 and, and, and we were in the

17:51:52:12 midst of a capital campaign and,17:51:53:24 and greg, greg and barbara 17:51:59:15 barrett came to us, came to the17:52:02:10 president and said we would like 17:52:03:12 to make a gift to, to, to, to17:52:07:10 the university and, and it 17:52:09:24 turned into a naming gift for,17:52:11:18 for, for the college. 17:52:13:04 we were the first college named.17:52:16:21 at asu. 17:52:17:24 >> isn't that something?17:52:18:24 >> and, and, and obviously, the 17:52:21:28 barrett honors college got much17:52:23:06 success, continued success, but 17:52:24:24 you have kind of decided to get17:52:26:09 back into, into, into faculty. 17:52:28:18 what was that all about?17:52:29:24 >> i had spent 25 years

17:52:31:06 continuously in an17:52:33:21 administrative position. 17:52:34:19 i went straight from a17:52:36:00 chairmanship to a directorship 17:52:37:19 to a deanship, and the year that17:52:40:28 i became chair, or -- became 17:52:43:21 director of the honor's program,17:52:44:28 i published two books, and they 17:52:46:07 were very, very well reviewed.17:52:49:18 and i went -- the, the energy it17:52:52:18 took to, to develop the college, 17:52:57:04 meant that i was not writing.17:52:58:18 it also meant that i was not in 17:52:59:21 the classroom as much of the17:53:03:12 time as i wanted to be, and i 17:53:05:13 had just, just didn't want to,17:53:08:27 to end my career as an

17:53:12:22 administrator.17:53:13:12 i really loved being with 17:53:16:00 students.17:53:16:24 >> but, you must look at the 17:53:18:00 college now, and you must be17:53:20:18 awfully proud of what you see? 17:53:22:03 >> oh, it's, it's developed17:53:24:09 wonderfully. 17:53:24:28 it's had the support of, of17:53:27:03 several presidents, and 17:53:28:15 president crow has really helped17:53:31:03 us to become the premiere 17:53:34:04 honor's college in the united17:53:35:07 states. 17:53:35:24 just, just hands down.17:53:37:15 >> and isn't that something? 17:53:38:28 >> with that, my last question17:53:40:04 to you is, i've been here for

5017:53:43:00 some, close to 50 years now. 17:53:44:18 where do you see asu in another17:53:46:13 50 years? 17:53:47:13 >> oh, boy.17:53:48:07 i can't even conceive. 17:53:50:03 particularly, if we continue17:53:51:15 this, this trajectory of 17:53:54:28 development.17:53:55:12 i think asu is the, the post 17:54:01:22 world war ii university that has17:54:04:03 developed and the most 17:54:06:21 significant ways of any, any17:54:10:09 post-world war ii university in 17:54:11:12 the country.17:54:13:04 >> how so? 17:54:16:06 >> look at our research record17:54:18:27 at this point.

17:54:19:12 this is, this is -- in17:54:25:04 absolutely every survey of the 17:54:28:09 universities, this is a top 10017:54:30:22 in the world university. 17:54:33:13 virtually every one of our17:54:34:21 programs, graduate and 17:54:35:22 undergraduate is ranked well17:54:38:19 into the top 50 programs. 17:54:41:18 it's just -- and the physical17:54:45:09 plant. 17:54:46:13 stunning!17:54:47:06 really stunning! 17:54:48:19 >> well, you have been a major17:54:50:06 part of that growth, and 17:54:52:06 congratulations on a wonderful17:54:54:07 career, and good luck on what 17:54:55:13 will no doubt be an active17:54:56:19 retirement.

17:54:57:07 >> it will be active.17:54:59:09 good to have you here and thanks 17:55:00:15 for joining us.17:55:01:07 >> thank you very much. 17:55:02:13 >>> and friday on arizona17:55:03:24 horizon, it's the journalists' 17:55:04:21 roundtable.17:55:05:18 we'll look back on tuesday's 17:55:07:00 general election and see whatit 17:55:08:21 means for arizona's future, and17:55:10:09 the state house of senate choose 17:55:12:24 new leadership.17:55:13:22 those stories and more friday on17:55:14:28 the journalists' roundtable. 17:55:18:04 that is it for now.17:55:19:01 i'm ted simons, and thank you

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